I'm stuck on what Hannah Gadsby said in Nanette:
"I have built a career out of self-deprecating humor, and I don't want to do that anymore. Do you understand what self-deprecation means when it comes from somebody who already exists in the margins? It's not humility, it's humiliation. I put myself down in order to speak, in order to seek permission to speak, and I simply will not do that anymore, not to myself or anyone who identifies with me. If that means that my comedy career is over, then, so be it."
We've talked a lot about self-deprecating humor, but I've never viewed it this way before. I've never stopped to consider the difference identity makes in these situations. A straight, cisgender, white man making fun of himself is a lot different than a lesbian woman of color doing so (I was going to write "than a queer woman of color doing so," but I was unsure if that would have been an acceptable term for me to use. So, I'm asking all you super smart, kind-hearted people--what's the verdict on that word? I'm unsure if it's more of an in-group term or if it's becoming more generally accepted. I tried to do some research on my own and found a lot of different views, so I wanted to hear your thoughts and explanations). There's a different dynamic added to this dark humor when you're already part of a group that consistently suffers from microaggressions. I can't unsee it now.
We've often heard "the speaker matters" when discussing complex topics such as race, sexuality, and rape, but we often don't consider how and why the speaker matters in different ways when looking at self-deprecating humor. Who is often more likely to take part in this type of humor? In my experience, I have often witnessed self-deprecation from individuals who are likely to be targeted and battered on a regular basis. Where do you think these jokes come from? Some are from the speaker's own mind, but some are surely things they've had other people say to them. We can see this clearly in Nanette when Hannah "jokes" about insensitive things her audience members, and even her own mother, have said to her. Self-deprecating jokes often don't begin with us. They come from the outside, and we choose to repeat them (and maybe even in some small part of us, believe them).
Hannah Gadsby's words were monumental for me because I had never thought of the impact that self-deprecating humor has on people who hold the same identity as you. Jokes about race or sexuality, even if deemed "acceptable" because you're a part of the group you're speaking of, are not just commenting on you as an individual. These jokes are creating commentary about an entire group of people. Any other time, we call that a stereotype. We call that wrong. But when jokes are involved, the script changes.
Don't get me wrong, I like a good teetering-on-the-edge-of-being-too-far kind of joke once in awhile, and it definitely does matter who's telling it. But Hannah got me thinking...maybe we should think a little harder about how our jokes are affecting those who identify with us.
Aneyla, I really appreciate the analytical approach you took in regard to her comment. I don't know about others, but I tend to make self-deprecating jokes about things that people always make comments on. So in that instance I suppose I use that humor as a defense mechanism, because in my mind if I can make the joke first it won't have the same effect then if someone else said it. But anyways, great job!
ReplyDeleteAs for your concern about using the word Queer, from what I have read it depends on the context in which you use it. However, some people still view it as a negative term. But the LGBTQ+ community has noted they are fighting to reclaim it from the negative connotation. Heres a link of an article I found: https://www.tolerance.org/magazine/is-queer-ok-to-say-heres-why-we-use-it
I hope it helps!
Even after the posts and midterm essay I did about self-deprecation and why "what" we say matters, I never got to the topic of why "who" says it matters. Her comment and your post are absolutely revolutionary in the sense that, wow, your negative jokes can turn you down AND turn down who you identify with. It's something that I've never really thought about until now, and I hope this revelation will make us all more conscious of what we say.
ReplyDeleteAs a Queer woman myself, I agree with Kennedy in the opinion that it depends on what manner the word is being used in. In an academic sense, like in an essay or here, in a blog post, I personally believe that the word "queer" is completely appropriate to use. I'd also like to express my gratitude to you for your concern about using this word, it shows that you really do care about preserving respect for the LGBTQ+ community.
ReplyDeleteAside from that, Gadsby's description of the harm that self-deprecating jokes can bring is (kind of) new! We've talked about the issues with this sort of humor before with different authors, but Gadsby describes using it as a person who everyone else is already tearing down and uses what I believe is the perfect word to describe it: humiliation. The speaker does matter here! For her, it is self-humiliation in order to gain access to a voice. For a straight, white man, it is humility that makes him more relatable to the minority groups that may be listening. Honestly, we could discuss the intricacies of self-deprecating humor for weeks, and I hope we do continue talking about its uses and audiences/speakers.
Something I really enjoyed about her stand up special was the turn to the emotional filled monologue. I can't think of a better platform for her to explain her message than in front of an already captivated, tense audience. She really sprinkles in that this is where the routine is headed, and then just pulls it off in such a fierce and empowered way.
ReplyDeleteI definitely agree with reconsidering some jokes that are said for not only others but ourselves. When we, as Hannah states, humiliate ourselves we turn into our own bully. This can be dangerous; this person lives in you, knows every single insecurity you have, and can attack on them. We should practice less self-deprecating humor when it comes to society as a whole in order to bring more positivity to the minds of everyone.
ReplyDeleteGreat thread of comments here. And I will add to what some have said above: totally okay to use "queer" in the way our writers and comics are. It's when it is used as a slur that it becomes problematic. But thank you, Aneyla, for providing a wonderful model of how to thoughtfully and respectfully ask what might be a tough question!
ReplyDeleteI agree with everyone else here in the comments. I do believe the word queer is acceptable, when it is not used in a derogatory, or demeaning way. I love that you mention Hannah’s post in this because I was thinking the same thing. When we tell a self deprecating joke. We aren’t just making it at ourselves, we are making it at anyone who identifies with us. This post is so amazing! Thank you for sharing.
ReplyDeleteThis view on self-deprecating humor also made me take a step back and go "oh, wow." It can be tricky because some people will hear those jokes and think "if she made that joke, I can make it too. It must be okay to say things like that." That is where we end up in hot water.
ReplyDeleteSelf-deprecating humor reminds me of this summer I had a crush on this girl Julia. I had been casually texting her and we got along really well because we'd been friends for a long time. One time as a joke I said, "Yeah, well I'm just a loser anyway" as a joke. And her response was "Yeah, you are a loser." I really didn't care if this was meant to be a joke or not because I was hurt that she agreed with me. But I guess, in essence that is what people are doing when they laugh at self-deprecating humor. "Haha, it's so funny cuz it's true." Now I'm more careful about the kind of jokes I choose to make about myself.
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